Yes, and the big bang before it "BANGED" was supposedly the size of a small pearl...and outside this pearl? Nothing called 'something' which perhaps holds other pearls that perhaps which "BANGED" too, though we cannot see these for our world is currently our 'universe' which is actually not THE universe but where does our vision lead us to? Yes, that last stanza is the final conclusion absent of any objective truth and relative to my subjective vision...where is any place and space beyond? Where is any time out of time? Men, wise or not, will never stop asking because they will never know...

Although Einstein may roll in his grave upon reading this, I like you're way of thinking Ashok. :o)

we are where we have always been despite efforts to the contrary. we move thusly and thatly and say we've achieved a seperateness from ourselves where in essence we've achieved nill but expended much energy to prove otherwise.

You cleverly point out the sophistry of the reasoning that can only end in circles leading nowhere. As to a beginning, I start with God, omniscent, omnipotent, pure, holy--therefore dependable and traceable even in His creation.

We have to call nothing something in order to have something to talk about to nobody that we have to call somebody so that we don't feel lonely.